Joe Lara (00:02.226)
All right, so Scott, super kind of curious before we begin our conversation, just for the sake of those that are listening, a little bit about your career in the military. Like, first of all, what got you in the military? What led to that? And then what did you do?
Halty (00:13.114)
you.
Scott (00:13.965)
Yeah.
Yeah, no, great question. So I spent 21 years in the Navy. I think really, you know, ever since I was a young child, I think I've been motivated by service. And of course, I was influenced by media. I I grew up in the age of Top Gun. So with that, I ended up going into Naval Aviation. Not as sexy as Maverick, but I was a helicopter pilot for 21 years. yeah, I mean, ultimately I was and still am.
Halty (00:28.657)
Hmm.
Halty (00:33.487)
Yaaaas
Scott (00:46.136)
very much motivated by service to the community.
Halty (00:50.619)
to the amount of people that have said Top Gun, like from our generation, right? It's like, right? And then like just that whole time period, it was just so many movies that were like that. And it's hilarious to hear that come out. So I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's exactly how I felt when I jumped off my skateboard and I was like, whoa, like that might be a thing in my future.
Joe Lara (00:51.081)
Did you?
Scott (00:54.505)
I know. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
Scott (01:00.906)
Yep.
Yeah, yeah. That's right.
Joe Lara (01:04.382)
Dude, that-
Joe Lara (01:11.518)
That theme song is still, it still slaps, man. When you hear it, you're like, yeah, you get all fired up. Top Gun theme song. Did you know Scott, like that you were gonna do 21? Like, don't, I don't know. I don't know too many people that know I'm doing 20, right?
Halty (01:13.797)
Duh.
Yeah.
Scott (01:16.876)
For sure.
Halty (01:21.541)
Yeah, right.
Scott (01:23.37)
No, no. Yeah, I don't leave that impression. Actually, I honestly, I thought I would go to school, get my degree and then punch out the first opportunity. But what I just found is I found community. felt like I was in, I was working with a lot of people I enjoyed and as every veteran can relate, mean, go through a lot of difficult and challenging times, but I really just.
Halty (01:32.337)
Mm.
Halty (01:39.153)
Hmm.
Scott (01:50.828)
loved the community, loved the people I was working with and that's really what kept me around I think 21 years.
Halty (01:55.729)
What birds you fly by the way?
Scott (01:59.028)
yeah, so I dated myself a little bit. I flew in the H46s and then the H3. So if you want to go see that over the midway and go check them out. And then I finished out. Yeah, yeah. So that tells you a little bit about my time. They're on the midway.
Halty (02:00.977)
All right.
nice.
Halty (02:08.133)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (02:09.48)
Midwave Museum. Nice.
Halty (02:11.217)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And literally like the plate on the inside probably reads like circa 1970 something.
Scott (02:21.088)
Yeah, actually the 60s, some of them I flew, they're that old. Yeah.
Joe Lara (02:24.628)
Dude.
Halty (02:25.393)
Yeah. I have a lot of bad and good memories of the 40, the old 46. So yeah. Yeah.
Scott (02:30.306)
Me too.
Joe Lara (02:33.245)
Hey Scott, so what year did you actually punch out like finish?
Scott (02:37.742)
So it was 2018. I finished here in San Diego.
Joe Lara (02:43.282)
And what led to that decision? Was it just your time or what do you think drove to that point?
Halty (02:47.216)
Hmm.
Scott (02:53.952)
Yeah, I think it was just kind of a confluence of events. I'd landed back in San Diego, which I'd always kind of wanted to get back here. It'd been a great career, but I was also looking, I was already kind of thinking ahead to the next steps. And it was just, it was like a good opportunity. San Diego, I had a great job and the job had the flexibility that could like help me transition. So I saw the opportunity.
Like all of you, you've had many addresses I was kind of done with, moving again as well. So yeah.
Joe Lara (03:30.781)
yeah.
Halty (03:32.367)
Yeah. Once I got to San Diego and I was asked to move again, that was a hard decision point for the Halterman family. Yeah.
Scott (03:39.352)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (03:39.732)
Dude, there's so many people that refuse to leave San Diego. I mean, it's got the best weather, dude. We're so spoiled out here, man. Yeah, I get it. I get it. So Scott, really one of the reasons that we brought you here is because you have a really cool story. mean, the more Halty and I talk to folks with military backgrounds, the stories that got them in the military is fascinating for various reasons. But we're really...
Halty (03:43.057)
Yeah. Yeah.
Scott (03:43.916)
Yeah.
For sure.
Halty (03:56.421)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (04:07.796)
catches our ear is the transition story out. so thinking about you making the decision to leave, and maybe that was in 2016, maybe a little bit earlier before the actual time, describe your mindset as you approached the transition.
Scott (04:26.304)
Yeah, I'd been thinking about it quite a bit. As I mentioned earlier, service was really important for me. I wanted to make sure I went into an area that I felt like I was going to continue to be of service. So there's that. And then there's that part of me that's like, hey, I got to get a job, right? And I need to get on this. And when I started looking, I really didn't spend much time.
thinking other than like what was on my resume? Who was I as a person as captured on this resume? And then trying to map that to like what potential careers could I have? And I mean, I've worked really hard at that and I'm sure you've probably heard many of the same stories like hey, project management, program management, like all that kind of stuff. And I really only thought about it from that standpoint. And I was laser focused. There was a lot of
Halty (05:02.427)
Hmm.
Scott (05:21.038)
resources out there and I tried to take advantage of all of them that were out there to make sure that like, okay, I could hit the ground running, right? And like, here's this 21 year career, man. I'm going to like take my terminal leave and I'm going to hit the, I'm going to like kill it right out the gate, you know? So that was kind of my mindset coming out of the military.
Halty (05:29.147)
Good.
Halty (05:42.681)
I just appreciate that you tried to use as many assets and things as possible, right? There's so many VSOs out there doing great work. the ongoing theme that I'll continue to beat the drum about is like, you get to as many of them as possible and it doesn't matter your rank or how many years you're served. You're not stealing another younger soldier, sailor, airman, Marine, spot, right? There's spots for everybody.
And it's super important that you, know, the mantra I always try and send out is don't transition alone. And the more assets you use, the better your transition is likely to go. So that's, it's great to hear you did that.
Scott (06:24.28)
Yeah, hundred percent. And I, I, it was maybe one of the VSOs, but I really did reach out to my, veteran network. I was on LinkedIn trying to network with as many people as I can, have as many conversations as I could. And, quite frankly, you know, if it wasn't for those conversations, I wouldn't have landed in my first job. I mean, it was, it was another veteran that got me in the door.
Halty (06:32.401)
Hmm.
Joe Lara (06:46.772)
It's really the relationships, right? I think that's something that we know the powerful network of being in the military and that's a good resource to definitely use. I kind of want to go back a little bit to your thoughts of seeing what you were good at in the military and seeing how it translates. That's kind of a thing that I think I know I did. Halti, I'm sure you did too. Because it's what we're taught by these awesome veteran service organizations. Hey, let's look at your career.
Halty (06:48.593)
Yeah.
Halty (07:04.763)
Mm-hmm.
Halty (07:08.944)
Hmm.
Joe Lara (07:15.014)
And trains like that skill almost like, Hey, this is project management. This is dealing with supply chain. This is dealing with budgets and it's very like almost linear. Did you go through the same process too, to kind of.
Scott (07:23.97)
Right. 100%. I took that same sort of mindset. It was basically like an inventory. you know, here's all the range of jobs and activities I've been involved in over 21 years. And then here's maybe here's the industry. Like I said, I knew I wanted to be in an industry that was going to make a difference. And then, you know, here's the jobs that potentially map up to those two. Yeah.
Halty (07:46.097)
Hmm.
Joe Lara (07:46.418)
Yeah. Yeah. And so I appreciate that. And so that got you in the job. And now now let's just flash forward a little bit. So now you're in the job and you're sitting there and I don't want to put you in a cubicle. I don't want to put you know, I don't know what kind of environment it was, but but describe that for us. Maybe the first like 30 days 90 days. What was that like for you?
Scott (07:52.822)
Yeah. Yeah.
Scott (07:59.598)
Yeah.
Scott (08:06.016)
Yeah, that was it. the first few days were interesting. I'd actually joined a team that was 100 % remote. And I always like to tell the story. It was my first day, it was Monday, and I'd been told I was going to receive my laptop. And I show up Monday and I write, and like, there's no laptop. And I text my hiring manager.
Halty (08:06.304)
Yeah.
Scott (08:31.438)
And so there's no laptop. I was like, you know, you know what, I'm going to go, I'm just go to the office and I'm going to go shake someone down and get a lot. So, you know, initiative, like all those things that we do as veterans, like we're resourceful. We'll get things done. So it was my first day on the job. I'm like getting in my car, driving not too far up north of here and just knocking. I don't even have a badge. like, Hey, I just started, you know, I need a laptop and
Halty (08:56.335)
Where's my stuff?
Scott (08:57.942)
Yeah, and a great person helped me out and got me all set up that day. So that was my first day on the job. I joined it, and it was an exciting team. They were trying to scale in the delivery of software safety devices in the healthcare industry. And knowing that I was going to work for a team that was pushing this new product out, it was exciting. They had the feel of like, this is...
going to be somewhat startup-ish, right? And trying to get a new product to scale. you know, it was, a great management team that I worked with, but it was very, very, very fast-paced right out the gate.
Halty (09:29.051)
Hmm.
Joe Lara (09:43.486)
That's interesting. Fast pace is something that I don't often hear too much, but if it's kind of a startup mentality, then yeah, that makes sense. known, think, Halty, I know you and I, we've had conversations with hundreds of veterans and describing their first job. Sometimes it's like getting off the bullet train of the military into a slower paced environment where things don't happen as fast. So that's interesting. It's a little bit different, I hear you, Scott. Yeah.
Scott (09:50.446)
Yeah.
Halty (09:57.584)
Mm-hmm.
Scott (10:11.02)
Yeah, was a little bit different because it was like a relatively newly acquired line of products to a big company. So it had elements of both fast, but also like slower big organization. it was a little, we were a we were a unique group, I would say, within the larger company.
Halty (10:18.652)
sure.
Joe Lara (10:30.078)
So when you made the choice to choose that job, was it the role, the description, or was a little bit of understanding of maybe the connection of the person that connected you to that group, or what were the things that drew you to it that said this is it?
Scott (10:42.894)
Yeah, it was really the, it was very operations, heavy focused scheduling, implementation teams throughout the country, operations, something we've all done. So it was really that, it was like the light bulb went, okay, this is great. I've done it, I've scheduled, I brought together teams, I've scheduled them across the country, worked with people all over the world, not just the United States. And it just seemed like a, like kind of like a
Halty (11:09.125)
Mm-hmm.
Scott (11:11.534)
perfect fit for my kind of operations background.
Halty (11:16.945)
And then as you, I'm always curious because we see just, you just described it. I've done operations and now I see an operations title and it like, it all makes sense. But if you could maybe talk through some of the, some of the cultural, some of the things that were culturally the same, but some of the things that were culturally different. And it's like, wait, this is business operations and talk about through some of the differences or anything you got.
Scott (11:24.984)
Yep. Yeah.
Scott (11:41.134)
Yeah, I mean, think some of, you know, in the military, we definitely have some pretty mature operational processes in place, right? This team was growing with scaling. It didn't have quite a bit. it was, we frequently, on a management team, we like the frequent kind of, we're kind of building the plane and flying at the same time, right? We were, you know, we this, had this aggressive revenue target. We needed to hire a bunch of people. We also needed to refine the processes and make sure we're implementing things a bit faster.
Halty (11:47.569)
Hmm.
Scott (12:09.216)
So we stayed pretty busy. And I think that's what I refer to as being kind of like going from pretty fast-paced job right into another fast-paced job. Yeah.
Joe Lara (12:26.804)
It makes sense, yeah.
Did now what's interesting is, know, what kind of brought you to the podcast literally is I made a post on LinkedIn last week and, the post, the post was referring to the Bureau of labor statistics and, and the data from October, 2024, comparing veterans in jobs and civilians with no military background in jobs and finding work and the military veterans are actually doing better.
Scott (12:38.21)
Yeah, that's right.
Halty (12:50.193)
you
Joe Lara (12:59.348)
And so my question was, that sounds great. So we have all these organizations, VSOs that are helping veterans find jobs. We're doing the work, we're writing the resumes, we're making connections, we're doing those things. But I'm wondering how many veterans are finding fulfillment, connection, and belonging? Now, that isn't something that's kind of on a job description, nor is it
at least in my mind when I was looking for work, I'm looking for connection and now I need a paycheck. need I need I need I need it to be in the right location. I need these things. And that's like the surface needs. But I was wondering, like, what are the jobs like for folks once they're in? And and and you chimed in and I know I gotta I gotta ask you man Scott, like, what was your response to my question?
Scott (13:30.808)
Yeah.
Scott (13:52.522)
I mean, I think, you know, we've built into is I think I, maybe I was the poster child of doing all the right things to check the boxes, to get into that first role. But over time, I found, you know, I just, the connection just wasn't there kind of to what you're talking about, trying to,
Halty (14:06.577)
Hmm.
Scott (14:21.976)
happened to not just like, what can I do? But what, do I really find that's like meaningful? And, and, that, that, that was kind of, you know, fast paced environment. And over time, having not reflected on that, it really, it did become quite a bit of a grind after a while. and I, I'd spent, you know, I kept telling myself, you know, I just suck it up, man. Like,
Halty (14:41.201)
to.
Scott (14:52.007)
You got this. You got a job. You've gutted through worse. You've worked in worse conditions than this. You've got a laptop at home. How fucking bad is this? Why do you... Exactly. I told myself that for years. All the while, there was this other context that was going on. I had four different directors.
Halty (14:53.701)
You've done harder things.
Halty (15:00.997)
You don't smell like aircraft fuel right now, you're fine.
Joe Lara (15:01.609)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (15:05.0)
You're sleeping on your pillow tonight, bro. Yeah.
Halty (15:06.545)
Hahaha
Halty (15:13.105)
wow.
Scott (15:19.244)
After three and a half years, I was the only manager standing after all these managers had a little come and gone and just were burnt out and frustrated at Trisha. And I just like, it just got to a point that, you know, I gotta rethink this. I gotta rethink what I'm doing. And I honestly, like at that point, like I really, I didn't know where to turn at that point because they say, am I complaining? I got this great job at the same time. I'm just feeling.
Halty (15:22.641)
Hmm
Joe Lara (15:25.78)
Yeah.
Halty (15:33.329)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Scott (15:49.543)
It's not the same as I was doing the operations job either back in the squadron or deployed. There was just something else missing.
Joe Lara (15:55.24)
Yeah, it, you know, what's different is like in the military, when we say suck it up, I kind of want to say that there's a different context there because you look to your left and your right and that's why you suck it up.
Halty (16:04.433)
Mm-hmm.
Scott (16:06.136)
Yeah, that's right, 100%.
Halty (16:07.653)
Hmm.
Joe Lara (16:09.756)
You don't want to let anybody down and you don't want to be the weak link. And so you're like, man, I, I need, need to, I just need to put my head down and grind like everybody else. Right. And, and so it's, it's almost like, okay. It's a, just suck it up. That doesn't mean we, we're pushovers by any means, you know what I mean? But you know what, you know what I mean?
Scott (16:16.867)
Yeah.
Scott (16:24.214)
Yeah. Yeah, a hundred percent. And when you said that, what made me think is, and I know told you that story is like people were leaving. There was like, they weren't standing shoulder to shoulder with me because we were going through a difficult time together. And I'm not going to let down the person on the left and right. It was like, man, this is, I meant it for me, man. This is right. I'm not gonna, I'm not going to stick around in a bad situation any longer than I have to. Right. And I still had that mindset. Like I'm here for the team. I'm here for, you know, my
Halty (16:35.761)
Mmm.
Halty (16:42.129)
Mmm.
Joe Lara (16:47.325)
Right.
Scott (16:54.078)
my consultants who were on my team. I mean, that, that, I got, that did keep me around, like kind of lot of everyone around me was leaving. And one of my takeaways I just wanted to share is you could walk away at some point. Well, hopefully, you know, you don't have, exactly. You don't have to stay in that first job for as long as I did three and a half years. No, no, there isn't. That's right.
Halty (17:09.455)
Wait, what?
Halty (17:13.7)
Whoa.
Joe Lara (17:14.792)
There's no four year contract that you had to take a note for and sign a paper.
Halty (17:18.149)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (17:23.698)
Wow, you heard it first. You can believe.
Scott (17:24.11)
Yeah.
Halty (17:27.121)
But, but to balance that just a little bit and look, everything Scott is saying is on the money. we, Joe and I have had the absolute privilege to talk to probably closer to thousands of veterans at this point. and to balance that opinion just a little bit, it's worth sticking around for about 24 months so that you can leverage it, the experience of it.
Joe Lara (17:40.776)
Yeah, easily.
Halty (17:53.591)
into the next thing, right? Because the best time to get a job is while you have a job. So don't sit idly feeling like you're stuck in it. Go, okay, I'm feeling what Scott said. That means I need to leave, but build my plan, right? And then where am I on this journey? Okay, let me make sure this is a resume bullet that I can speak well to and positively of so that I can get to the next thing. And while I'm here, still grinding away being the best team and I can be.
Joe Lara (18:04.67)
Therefore, I'm leaving.
Joe Lara (18:08.862)
Yes.
Halty (18:22.991)
under present conditions, I'm going to spend some time on LinkedIn. I'm going to spend some time re-engaging my network and looking for next opportunity, right? That's the best practice I would say in making a really clean professional exit.
Scott (18:34.67)
100%.
100%.
Joe Lara (18:39.061)
yes, you nailed it. so to that point, Scott, like what did you mentioned? You know, we started talking about Vector Accelerator a little bit offline, which is this program that's been designed for veterans. It's we know there's a lot of active duty that are getting out every year. And so we want us we created this course for them, also knowing that there's going to be people that have already transitioned from active duty that are in jobs.
Halty (18:57.937)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (19:07.58)
And so this curriculum, the questions that we ask veterans are timeless questions. They can be asked to anyone at any point in their career, whether they're active duty or not. You stumbled upon vector accelerator at some point. How did that happen? First of all, how'd you, how'd you find out about it? And, it was this part of your, reflection in your, in your, in your search or, know, as like, got to change something or how did that happen?
Halty (19:14.747)
Mm-hmm.
Scott (19:25.646)
Yeah.
Scott (19:32.185)
I think at that point, know, to a point I was starting to look and try to find other opportunities. So spending some more time on LinkedIn. I believe I found the program on LinkedIn and I just, let me follow this. Let me go down this rabbit hole a little bit. I, yeah, it was, I was really excited to find it. And, and, and just right from the get-go, some of the questions that were being asked that were a little more reflective.
Halty (19:35.951)
Hmm.
Scott (20:00.982)
and thinking about, really thinking about like values, right? And that was great for me. I think it's it's kind of funny. It's just sometimes things kind of find you when you need them most. And it was just, yeah, just through LinkedIn.
Halty (20:15.141)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (20:18.62)
Isn't it crazy that that phrase when the students ready, the teacher arrives. yeah. And, what's back to back to what Halty and I have done for so many years working with veterans and we could speak to it because we went through it ourselves. Like, so we know what it's like to, to look for that checklist of things to transition, make sure my, medical records taken care of, and then also start prepping the resume, just checklist, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'd never once thought I needed to do a self reflective.
Scott (20:22.104)
That's right. Yeah.
Halty (20:22.897)
Seriously.
Halty (20:40.753)
you
Joe Lara (20:47.56)
values assessment, because I mean, I'm pretty confident, right? I know who I am. Why am I spending time with this question? Like, I just need a job right now. And so it's very easy to kind of just brush it off as this is kind of a waste of time. This isn't transactional. It's not going to get me that job. You know, it's, I guess what I'm trying to get at is those that are listening that are curious about what is vector accelerator? What is this thing? Cause I'm not doing it right now.
Halty (20:48.463)
Mm-hmm.
Halty (20:52.421)
I know me.
Halty (20:56.347)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (21:17.138)
I'm just doing that checklist. What would be some advice, I guess, to go a little bit, you know, just lead with curiosity and just kind of maybe open it and look through it and see if it can help? What are your thoughts on that, Scott?
Halty (21:31.345)
Hmm.
Scott (21:31.406)
Yeah, I don't know. There's that old saying that any port will do if you don't have a direction. And I think the values give you that direction. That helps give you that focus. like yourself, I didn't see this as like, I mean, it's funny. Sometimes I see veterans like, I'll build this project plan to get
Halty (21:45.435)
Hmm.
Scott (22:00.462)
to transit, which is great. And it's a great way to keep you on track. But nowhere in that plan is like, let me, I even start this project, let me really focus on self-reflection, know, things that were really important to you growing up or in the service. And that's what VectorCelerator helped me, those early modules where you're kind of focusing in on the values. And they're honestly, for me, they were like some of hardest questions to answer.
Halty (22:12.378)
Yes.
Halty (22:28.625)
Mm.
Scott (22:28.974)
I mean, to me, the mapping of your skills to some job is like, it's kind of like, it gets almost algorithmic, right? But like the reflection piece is just, it's ongoing and it's, I would argue it's never really done. I mean, at end of the day, mean, but I'd wish, you know, in hindsight, I had started there, right? It may have changed things a little bit.
Halty (22:38.245)
Mm-hmm.
Halty (22:45.328)
Yeah
Halty (22:53.169)
Hmm.
Joe Lara (22:53.172)
Hmm.
Joe Lara (22:58.268)
Yeah. What's fascinating as when you do those exercises, right? So, and you've, you pulled out values because there's a lot of many different exercises that are in vector, but values is a really simple one that seems simple until you actually do the work. And then it's like, this is pretty heavy. What's interesting is in a simple exercise, I'll call it simple because, you know, when you look at the outcome, it could be very simple in that.
Halty (23:14.733)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (23:28.188)
You might very well find a team that's on paper looks exactly like what you just were in. But the difference is if you value loyalty, if you value camaraderie, if you value tribe, let's just say those were examples, not necessarily your Scott, but if that's something you're now looking for those things in addition to the salary and the culture, it's part of it's part of the equation of the work. So it's not just.
Halty (23:35.119)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (23:57.65)
salary, location, title, and the role. Project management, startup, operations, logistics, that's good. But if you start adding your value as a layer over that, as a lens, you can now differentiate when you look at two companies doing the exact same thing, but how they do it, one of them's more aligned with who you are and the other one just is way off base. Is that fair?
Halty (24:16.453)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Halty (24:22.885)
Mm-hmm.
Scott (24:24.588)
Yeah, 100%. I honestly, never even considered that element in my early part of the job search. It was just, it was like, gotta get a job. Let me check this box off. I never considered those other factors that you talked about and they really are important. I mean, it's the difference between waking up and just like, you're just.
dreading, like opening up your laptop and getting to work versus, you know, waking up and you go like, man, I'm actually kind of energized to work with these people today. Yeah.
Halty (24:54.201)
V
Halty (25:03.953)
Totally. And Joe, gave such a good example, And I, once you kind of figure out your value system and what's really prioritized and important for you and your family and the comparison between two companies, same product, maybe competitors in the same market. And then it gives you the opportunity, you know, in the interview when they say, Hey, do you have any questions for us? That's where you really get to nail it home about what's really important to you.
Joe Lara (25:30.638)
yeah.
Halty (25:31.377)
Like, Hey, can you tell me the structure of the teams and who I'm going to be directly working for and how is that structured and what's the reporting look like on the surface that seemed those seem like very straightforward tactical, maybe level questions. But the reality is that those answers can be wildly different and you can start to tease out the threads of how that company operates. And is that going to be in line with the things that you're looking for? Cause if I'm going to be fully remote and have five bosses,
Am I going to get camaraderie tribe and, the other thing I'm looking for? Probably not. Right. You could probably intuit, can intuit that from a couple of good questions. so important for interview process and final decision making and all the rest.
Joe Lara (26:17.108)
Staying in that vein of interview questions. So it's so funny because I'm now past my military career. I'm in civilian life now and I've hired people. Unfortunately, I've had to let people go. But yes, I don't like that part. But in the interview process, it's all like the first date. Everybody's super well-kept. Our answers are super prepped. It's all perfect. Even the company.
Halty (26:29.521)
scary. Also scary.
Halty (26:39.665)
you
Scott (26:40.526)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (26:46.598)
is like perfect and we're trying to get accepted by that company. But on the same points that you just mentioned, Halti, if we're super clear on our values, our questions towards the company can actually go up a level. Meaning, if I've done the work and I know, let's just say loyalty, camaraderie, stick-to-itiveness, all that stuff is important to me.
Halty (26:48.047)
Hmm. Hmm.
Joe Lara (27:12.052)
Hey, describe to me some of the most difficult challenges, like a recent difficult struggle that this company went through. And not that you found success, but what was the environment like for the team? Did people dig in and get after it? Like, what's your impression of that? And just, mean, why not ask that question? Because sometimes we're asked as people trying to get careers, we're asked behavioral questions. How do you?
Halty (27:15.724)
you
Halty (27:24.783)
Hmm.
Halty (27:33.061)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (27:41.48)
work under pressure and stress and all that. It's a conversation that should go both ways. And if they don't answer in a way that gives you the warm and fuzzy or that Spidey sense, that could be a sign, right?
Scott (27:49.912)
Yeah.
Halty (27:54.0)
Mm-hmm.
Scott (27:54.519)
I had, and it was a great, my first job was a great experience and like yourselves, I had to hire a lot of people. And I was sometimes just blown away about the lack of questions I would get. And the job was hard. It was a challenging job. You had to get on the road like Monday, fly back Friday, lots of change. And I'd get so few questions. So I really, would kind of offer like, hey, this is what you're getting into.
Halty (28:01.937)
Mm.
Halty (28:07.322)
Hmm.
Scott (28:20.974)
I just want to give you a little bit of a background here because this is a challenging job. I know you want it, like you're saying, you're putting your best foot forward, but be aware of what you're stepping into. Most people stuck around, so I think they appreciated it.
Halty (28:22.612)
Hahaha!
Halty (28:39.515)
Hmm.
Joe Lara (28:41.288)
Yeah. Was there another aspect of vector accelerator or something else that kind of stuck out for you that you found helpful?
Scott (28:50.99)
I, know, so you were right. mean, connection was something I felt like I was missing in my last job. And one of things that I liked about it is I jumped on those Thursday calls, sometimes just to listen in and listen, you know, some of the challenges that other veterans were having and just to share their stories. know, someone who's worked largely remote for many years, I'm,
Halty (28:57.905)
Hmm.
Joe Lara (29:02.996)
Mmm.
Scott (29:17.74)
I've become just a big fan of like, hey, let's just get on a call. Let's get to talk about, let's see each other. So much of our work is digitally mediated through text and email and all that kind of stuff. And I really appreciate it just being able to jump in on a Thursday call and talk through kind of the workbook as well. think that kept me on track too, knowing that like, I've got to, I should probably make sure I do this section before I joined the call on Wednesday or Thursday, whenever it was.
Halty (29:22.255)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (29:45.298)
Halty, can you describe that a little bit? Like what's he talking about, the call? Because obviously we know, but we want our listeners to kind of get a feel for like, what's, you know, what is it?
Halty (29:50.905)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So as Smith chat right now, as of this recording, it's, it's at noon Pacific standard time on Wednesdays. That's just right now. certainly something is going to change and expand and so on and so forth. So, look, when you're in the course, you have 10 chapters to get through and it's deep introspective work. And when you're doing deep introspective work, guided journaling is super important, but
yet some point you got to get out of your own head because as someone far smarter than me and probably a century ago said something to the effect of you cannot understand yourself fully, but through the reflection from others. And so getting out of your own head, even though you need to do that work and having a good conversation with Scott, Joe Lara and all the other veterans who are in some variation of the exact same experience as you right now, right? They're in some form of the transition, whether it's
second job or first opportunity coming out of the military, whatever that looks like. And then you get to have like kind of the, back and forth, the tug and, and the pull and a little bit of like, I have a resource for that for you too. Or here's what worked for me. And it helps you get out of your own head and maybe organize more succinctly the things that you can easily spin yourself up on. And someone can, like Scott can step in and go, Hey brother, Hey sister, you're actually doing fine.
I was there two months ago and I was able to work through that because dot dot dot. Try that out and it can make a real difference.
Joe Lara (31:28.168)
Yeah, you said it early on in this conversation, don't transition alone. And that, that is how you find success with, with vector. I think with any transition process, if whether you use vector or not, that, that early point you made don't transition alone. We tried really hard to create this element of connection, at least once a week with other veterans, but also building a network outside of that military, group.
Halty (31:31.985)
Hmm.
Halty (31:39.342)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Halty (31:50.737)
Mm-hmm.
Halty (31:58.352)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (31:58.352)
And, that's, that's how I found clarity. Cause I know, I know my brothers and sisters will get my back and they'll hold me accountable and all that. What I personally needed was to be pushed and made really uncomfortable, outside of what was known, which is the military. And, and so I had, I had a, a gentleman who was a business guy, never served active duty, but was a traditional get after a business dude.
Halty (32:14.512)
Hmm.
Joe Lara (32:24.878)
And really challenged me and I couldn't, I couldn't get out of my own way, but he kept, he kept peeling my onion and asking me about my values and what makes me tick. And through storytelling, which is part of vector accelerators is learning what your story is and how to, how to articulate it. I got so much clarity from that. And that didn't translate to one conversation with this guy. And I know what I meant to do. That's not what I'm trying to say, but it.
but it helped me lean forward in my journey. So now I'm leading with curiosity and a lot of momentum and, and, and excitement. got it. I got to say, I was really enjoying the process, even though there's an anxiety of the job, not there and all that, that's going to be there, but there's an excitement to it. And, so the reflective questions, the meeting with other veterans, the building your network, I think those are the major components.
Halty (33:04.273)
V
Joe Lara (33:17.704)
that make it successful. so Scott, to get back to you, brother, where are you at now? Like what's your journey look like now? And also moving forward.
Scott (33:28.782)
Yeah, now, so I ended up moving over to a coaching consulting company that has a technology component to it. I think it's fair to say most of us have been in the military, leadership is important to us and both advancing our own practice, but helping others advance theirs as well. So I joined that company, worked for a couple months and I'm also a...
Halty (33:37.307)
Cool.
Scott (33:56.078)
part-time PhD student at University of San Diego, where I really want to focus on kind of leadership development in the context of like higher reliability organizations and remote teams. So I really got back to something that had been nagging at me since I'd even transitioned. And I'd always thought that education and sharing a little bit with others is something that is just really important and meaningful me. And I feel like I could
gain better connections with people that way. made a little bit of a little bit of a career pivot over the last over the last year.
Joe Lara (34:36.436)
I love that. What's neat is you said two things. So it's a career and school, right? And, Halti, I remember when I first met you and you were in your transition, it seemed like you wanted to do everything. you know, that's kind of a natural feeling. But now, now, now we're not, not encouraging you to do go and do everything, but, you don't have to settle for just like one career and that is it. And that's only you now, obviously it's time constraint. Everything's time constraint, but
Halty (34:49.381)
Yeah. That's fair.
Halty (34:57.275)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Joe Lara (35:05.236)
If you have a passion and if you want to serve and teach, mean, serving on a nonprofit board while you work or, you know, starting a company in the at nighttime, because you have this entrepreneurial spirit while you do this other thing that provides the means to survive and live, but it's also thriving as well. You're not, you're not suffering. there's a lot you can do in this, in this, you have so much freedom. And I think that's a, that's a weird transition to be in from the military where
Halty (35:11.44)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (35:32.732)
You're giving your orders. You're literally handed orders from the government do this for so much time. Right. Oof. Yeah.
Halty (35:36.016)
Mm-hmm.
Scott (35:40.494)
Yeah, I I think you think about most of us probably join or maybe 18 19 years old right and then you do 20 plus years to exactly your point Joe It's like here's your orders and you go do it and you'll do it the best you can and now you've got all this this these options this freedom that's available to you and On your way out, you think you know, you think you got it figured out But I'm just gonna say you probably don't god bless you if you do I mean, you know
Halty (35:40.526)
Oof.
Halty (36:04.261)
Hahaha
Halty (36:08.431)
Yeah. Yeah.
Scott (36:11.182)
I'm a slow learner, so maybe it's just me.
Joe Lara (36:13.958)
All of us, all of us.
Halty (36:15.857)
So this is parallel, promise. It's not going to sound like it at first, but it's parallel. And my question or thought is,
There's so much optionality in the transition. And one of the things that could get forgotten about is what do you love or are passionate about completely outside the job? Like that thing that brings you pure joy, that thing that you will like, Ooh, if I, if I get up early and I go to this, then I can make room for this, whatever that is. Right. And I mean, it can be knitting, it can be writing, it can be sailing, it could be dot dot dot, right. Fill in the blank. Scott, what is yours?
What is the thing that really like, yes, I make time in my day or like, Halty, honestly, I haven't done that in a while and I need to, because I know it's good for me.
Scott (37:08.75)
That's a really good, and it's probably a habit I developed in the military was just, some of it was just going to the gym, right? You know, as often as you can or working out. But I think it's also just being outdoors with others. And it's just, it's two parts. It's like, you know, the outdoors and nature and all that, but it's also just getting out there and having conversations with people, like interesting conversations, just hearing what's on their mind and just sharing stories. I mean, that's.
Halty (37:14.596)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Halty (37:32.849)
Hmm.
Scott (37:37.71)
That's that, I mean, I'm going do that later today. We were talking before this earlier. You're to do some of that a little bit later today with some mountain biking.
Halty (37:44.666)
Nice.
Joe Lara (37:46.344)
Yeah, one of the questions that we love to ask veterans is, you know, the dream job scenario of money is no object. What would you do? and, and if you don't take vector accelerator, or you're just curious about it, you know, start with that question. just write it down. Like literally pen to paper, write it down. You could walk away and then come back with a fresh perspective or fresh mind and look at that and then try to try to fill it out. it's.
It's a, it's a, starts off simple. but I think we sometimes rob ourselves initially of like, well, that's, that's a, that's not realistic. I can't do that or that. Why am I even doing this question? remember, having this question asked to me and I played it safe and, and, you know, I wasn't giving the real honest answer. and so I guess when the reason why I'm mentioning this is.
Sometimes when you get these vulnerable questions and these inside vector, it's it's you can kind of play it safe and not go deep. So what's the encouragement I guess from Scott and Halty for me both like to to to just go for it, like get lost in those questions and really start writing, really start thinking.
Halty (38:50.703)
Mmm. Mmm.
Scott (39:08.982)
You know, it's something I don't know if I may have discovered a little bit before Vector was spending a few minutes every morning just journaling a little bit like what and just writing what comes to mind. And then you go back and kind of see what these recurrent themes are, whether or it was something that was cool about a day or something that was a challenge. So for me, I think that helps.
Halty (39:20.369)
Mm.
Scott (39:39.062)
is to just, I would just encourage everyone to get in that practice, whether you do vector accelerator or not, but to help you go through the questions at vector, just write down just a little bit every day, what's on your mind. It's a good practice.
Halty (39:41.999)
Hmm.
Joe Lara (39:51.86)
Hmm.
Halty (39:53.935)
And you can do it free of any judgment whatsoever. Cause no one's going to check in on you. I'm never going to say, show me what you wrote about question X. Like that's never going to happen. And you know, if you have a significant other, it doesn't have to be for them. And if you're thinking so much about your future, you that you think you're writing it for them, you're not, you're just writing it for you in that moment right now. So it's completely free of judgment.
And it just gives you an opportunity to, again, go back to all the stuff that's whirling around in your head, all of those options and get them down succinctly so you can sort through it a little bit. And then you can open up with the parts you want to open up about and have a good conversation and then sort through it with your spouse, your significant other, fellow veterans, whatever that looks like so that it doesn't come out a jumbled mess like it does sometimes with me still.
Joe Lara (40:54.452)
Yeah, and so for those that are hearing the word journaling and maybe cringing a little bit Slow down. Let me let me give you some context here So awesome Scott that you already had this practice built in I've I've done this numerous times with hundreds of veterans on day one of a transition program and I've asked veterans how many of you journal and out of room of 40 people maybe one hand goes up and And their eyes are like, crap. Here we go
Halty (41:06.769)
Yeah.
Scott (41:19.99)
Right.
Halty (41:20.614)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (41:24.028)
And I'm like, Hey, this is going to be easy in the sense that it's prompted journaling. It's not a blank page. So let me start with the question. And it'd be funny. Like if I had a room of 40 folks right now they're kind of worried, I'm like, okay, here's, here's a question. Veterans, what pisses you off?
Halty (41:29.253)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (41:44.018)
And they're just, they just sit back and go, dude. And then everybody's like rubbing their hands. Like we got a hate circle coming. Here we go. You know, and we can start hate, hate, hate 10 pages later, dude. I could write a book, you know, but, seriously, like that's, that's kind of what we want. That's the effect is that we want is just, here's a question. Just start writing, start thinking. And the more you write, the more authentic the words get.
Scott (41:44.939)
Yeah.
Halty (41:45.223)
And go.
Scott (41:52.333)
Hahaha!
Halty (41:53.531)
ten pages later.
Scott (41:56.685)
Yeah, that's it.
Halty (42:12.753)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (42:13.332)
It's a weird thing that occurs because like me, I was very surface. In fact, the first time I journaled, not gonna lie, I did it in pencil because I was afraid of, was afraid of what else could have right, dude. I was like, I can erase this or whatever. But then I started digging deep and, and, it's, it's my thing now. And I still have it on a bookshelf. I still have it to this day, 2015 and what? One 20, 25 in a couple of months. It's crazy. I should go back and look at it actually. Just kind of see where my mind was at.
Halty (42:15.131)
Mm-hmm.
Halty (42:23.759)
Yeah.
Halty (42:41.105)
You should. You should. There's good material in there. Yeah. Yeah. That's the other thing. Like you get to, you get to see your own growth. You've chronicled your own growth. And when you're like, where am I today? Like, I haven't done anything. Like I haven't worked out in a week. Right. Right. And you start to the hate circles in your own head about you. No way. Not me, not veterans, not never. Okay. So when that happens, you can go back to your journal even a week ago, a month ago, whatever.
Joe Lara (42:45.106)
Yeah, hmm Scott dude work.
Scott (43:02.429)
Hahaha.
Joe Lara (43:04.391)
Yeah.
Halty (43:10.481)
2015, a decade bro. That's a decade by the way. You get to see like, look, look, look at this little aha moment I hit in June of 16. Wow. I really have grown and the little negative voice in my head needs to hush, right? Stop being so tough on yourself. Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead, Joe.
Joe Lara (43:10.782)
see the growth.
That's crazy.
Joe Lara (43:29.62)
Yeah. No, no, no, no, man. That was awesome, dude. So Scott, we're coming up on the on the top of the hour, man, for this. But just want to thank you first for your time and for for sharing your story. Any words of encouragement for those that are going to stumble upon this this podcast? What are what's your message to the veterans who are active duty, who are already transitioned? Like what's your words?
Halty (43:41.489)
Hmm
Scott (43:58.21)
I mean, you I don't think you get much stronger without like meeting some resistance. And I think what you're talking about in terms of just reflecting that's resistance. Just man, you've already done this in your career or however long you spent as a veteran. Just lean into it, man. Just like start answering the questions like it's going to be uncomfortable. Well, you've gotten used to being uncomfortable for a long time. So just lean into it. And I think it will pay its dividends down.
Halty (44:03.665)
Cool.
Joe Lara (44:28.436)
Great advice. Dang.
Halty (44:29.733)
love the way you said that. I've never heard it termed that way before. That's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah.
Joe Lara (44:35.326)
Yeah, so pretty soon we're gonna call you Dr. Scott. I love it. Dude, that is sick. That's awesome. Good for you.
Scott (44:39.318)
Well, it'll be a while, but it's one of these days. We'll see.
Halty (44:39.579)
Ha ha. Yes, dude. That makes it like the instant feeling I got in the center of my chest was literally the warm and fuzzy to hear, to hear someone saying, you know what, I'm going to go for this, right? And I'm going to find a balance between, know, I'm going to get my mortgage paid, got to a job. I've got a job and I'm going to pursue a higher education so that I can continue to give back to others, man. It just makes my heart warm. Yeah.
Scott (45:10.35)
Well, thanks. Really enjoyed talking with you guys. I hope this does help. I just saw on the post and LinkedIn how this all got started. I really wanted to find some small way I could give back because Vector Accelerator was great for me. And yeah, I hope more people dive into Vector. if you're a veteran and you're in transition, you want to connect with me, absolutely happy to have a conversation.
Halty (45:38.277)
Where's the best place to find you? Where's the best place to Yeah. Awesome. Scott or what's the, what's the handle? Just, just so we capture it correctly. Yeah. That's right. That's right.
Scott (45:41.186)
Probably on LinkedIn, yeah.
Scott (45:49.582)
jeez. He caught me on that one. I think it's Scott Harvey. think that you should find.
Joe Lara (45:53.928)
Or they can just search for your last name.
Halty (45:56.421)
Okay.
Joe Lara (46:01.406)
But dude, thank you so much. Yeah, yeah, love it. Well, we'll come back again at another time halty with me, you know, probably another really cool guest and and Scott again, thank you so much for your time, dude. It's been it's been a pleasure.
Scott (46:03.288)
Thanks.
Scott (46:14.83)
Thank you.
Halty (46:16.945)
That's a wrap. Hell yeah. How'd it feel?
Scott (46:21.9)
It was fun. I love, I mean, I just love this conversation. is actually some of the stuff that I want to do.
Joe Lara (46:22.114)
and cut.
Halty (46:23.29)
Good.
Scott (46:34.254)
As part of my studies as a PhD student, I'm looking to get into coaching as well. And I'm trying to figure out a way at USD to do both. They have a coaching certificate track. I'm trying to figure out way to do it both. I don't want to tackle too much at once. So I'm just trying to do the core PhD courses. But one of these days, I want to...
Halty (46:49.563)
Mm-hmm.
Scott (47:01.314)
know, work on getting a coaching certification. And part of it's going to be, you know, hopefully working with veterans that work in transition.
Joe Lara (47:06.974)
Do you see like ICF certification and that type of stuff?
Scott (47:10.624)
Yeah, that's what I'm looking at for right now. Yeah, I'm looking at maybe...
Joe Lara (47:14.088)
Yeah, so do we need to stay connected because I'm starting my PhD in January. I'm going to Gonzaga PhD in leadership studies. I got in that school. dude, I had Ken Blanchard write my letter of recommendation. Yes. Hell yeah. Dunzo. So I'm going towards a servant leadership vein, global perspective.
Halty (47:19.985)
Yeah.
Scott (47:19.989)
great. awesome.
Scott (47:25.78)
awesome.
Halty (47:28.251)
Hell yeah, Joe.
Scott (47:29.656)
That's awesome.
What? Wow.
Halty (47:33.809)
Done. Done. Yeah.
Scott (47:39.797)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (47:43.54)
Cause I got some work that I'm doing in Kenya and some other areas. And so it's like, I'm looking at it from from a, from outer space point of view, right? no borders kind of thing. Right. And, but coaching, eh, I, I, I a hundred percent love that. Like coaching is good for your, just, I think I already do it in my work right now, which is cool. but I'm, I'm, thinking about maybe teaching one day. And so, but, but that's down the road. That would be like,
Halty (47:50.98)
Hmm.
Scott (47:51.005)
man.
Scott (48:01.1)
Yeah.
Halty (48:01.263)
Hmm.
Scott (48:05.506)
Yeah, yeah, likewise. Yeah, like, I mean, I'm trying to think of like, what can I do in the interim until I get my PhD? And that was one area. And I mean, honestly, in the field of education, it's like, okay, that could be a good skill to help in that field of education as well. That's awesome. Yeah, actually, a professor for the semester, he came from Gonzaga, I believe.
Halty (48:06.434)
What?
Halty (48:33.937)
Hmm.
Joe Lara (48:34.172)
Is he a Hispanic man? Yep. Yeah. So I actually applied for the USD program in 2018. Didn't get accepted. And I'm so glad I didn't. I'm so I was not ready. I could have probably got a lot accomplished during COVID because nobody was doing anything and I could have just probably crushed it. But the timing wasn't right. And I really do believe I picked the right program for me.
Scott (48:35.658)
Yes.
Halty (48:42.171)
Yeah.
Scott (48:46.766)
Hmm.
Halty (48:51.057)
Hmm.
Scott (48:54.528)
Yeah.
Scott (49:01.645)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (49:02.364)
I wasn't picking up the servant leadership vibe when I was inside the USD piece and I'm really hyper focused on that and Gonzaga bleeds it. It's a Jesuit school. I'm not Jesuit, but it's like it's like it's just it's it's got my DNA all over it. Yeah, I love it.
Scott (49:07.969)
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Scott (49:15.064)
That's cool. Well, yeah, let's stay in touch. mean, this has been my first semester and it's been, it's a blast. I love the reading. You should. Yeah, I did the same thing. I act and I'm glad I did, honestly. I asked for the syllabus as early as possible and I started reading through the Sage Hanenberg of leadership. I don't know if that might be one that's on your reading list and like other books that were recommended and me too.
Halty (49:16.318)
Yes.
Joe Lara (49:23.656)
I'm already reading now, dude. Like I don't even, I haven't, yeah.
Joe Lara (49:37.95)
Yeah.
I'm worried about the writing part, dude, because you're supposed to do scholarly writing. It's like the cat went up the tree, you know, like in crayon. God, let's give you so hard.
Halty (49:44.219)
Scholarly.
Scott (49:47.414)
Right?
Halty (49:50.299)
Yeah, yeah.
Scott (49:50.894)
Yeah, I'm with you. I have a leadership survey class. A paper is due here in a couple weeks. It's going to be 50 % of my grade. And I was whipping myself, like, I got to get this done so I could get it to the writing center so they could review this. Because I'm writing this, goes, I haven't done like academic writing in 20 years, guys. Can you please look at this? So talking about uncomfortable, That's uncomfortable when you got some 30-year-old PhD student telling you, yeah, you write like a fifth grader.
Halty (50:05.425)
Mmm.
Joe Lara (50:05.489)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (50:08.904)
I know, it's been a while.
Joe Lara (50:20.489)
Yep. Yeah, we'll stay connected, bro.
Scott (50:21.541)
But I'll figure it out. Yeah, for sure.
Halty (50:23.957)
Yeah. If, Scott, you know, part of the, whichever one you pick ICF or, or any of them, some of it's just purely getting hours, right? Getting, getting reps under your belt, a way to do that and something maybe worth looking, worth your time and local is THF, campus San Diego, has a cohort of 30 that go through, right? Every, every
spring, fall and summer. So it's an opportunity to kind of stay in a safe zone in terms of you'll be coaching a veteran who's in transition, which is well within your wheelhouse plus working, getting your hours. so there's an opportunity there if that's interesting to you. Plus you get to do it in person if you want to, which can be at ads, that elements that we all look for at some point anyway. So, happy to stay connected on that. What Joe didn't tell you, and I'll brag for him is that he actually did his masters at UCSD.
Joe Lara (50:58.644)
Totally.
Scott (51:02.892)
Yeah, I that'd be great.
Joe Lara (51:05.373)
In person, yep.
Halty (51:17.489)
or USD excuse me and is thickest these with Ken Blanchard and most of the people there. So he he's actually well known there. So you absolutely should stay in contact with Joe. Yeah, Joe's good human.
Scott (51:28.201)
Yeah, that's cool.
Joe Lara (51:28.724)
Yeah. No, man. Thanks, bro.
Scott (51:31.714)
I mean, and who hasn't read Ken Planetary?
Halty (51:34.459)
Seriously. admittedly, I had not until my mentor at the time, Joe Laura was like, Hey brother, have you read this? I was like, no. And Joe was my first boss, right? My first civilian boss. And I was like, I'm reading this. I'm reading this.
Scott (51:38.167)
no!
Scott (51:46.927)
I think, I mean, I'm not kidding you. It's all on my bookshelf like this right here, servant leadership and action.
Joe Lara (51:52.91)
dude, that one, that one's the best one. You got like 44 authors. Yeah. Yeah. It's so, it's so good.
Halty (51:53.627)
There it is. That's the one. That's the one. Yeah.
Scott (51:56.91)
Yeah.
That's a great, I always, I was talking on the podcast, was how I like to, you know, I had a lot of, had some pretty junior folks on my team and I'd always loved having the conversations like, hey, what do you want to do? You know, going forward at this organization, it's like, I to into management. like, hey, what have you, have you read anything in management? No, I read anything. Well, you might want to start here.
Halty (52:18.363)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Pay it forward. Yeah. Fellas. Thank you. Yeah. Have a great day. Have a better weekend. Yeah. There fellas.
Joe Lara (52:18.44)
There you go.
You're on Amazon. And what's your address? Send. Yeah. Awesome. All right, guys. Yeah, thanks so much.
Scott (52:23.244)
Yeah, that's right.
Thanks guys, I appreciate it.
Yeah, you too. Bye bye.
Joe Lara (52:34.696)
Paulty, let me know if you need anything, alright bud?
